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Post by occamsspork on Oct 21, 2020 23:48:03 GMT 10
I was reading the other night in A Short History Of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson about the discovery of the age of the Earth ... Aristotle thought the earth had existed eternally. Roman poet Lucretius, intellectual heir to the Greek atomists, believed its formation must have been relatively recent, given that there were no records going back beyond the Trojan War. The Talmudic rabbis, Martin Luther and others used the biblical account to extrapolate back from known history and came up with rather similar estimates for when the earth came into being. The most famous came in 1654, when Archbishop James Ussher of Ireland offered the date of 4004 B.C. It may surprise some, that it was not until 1926 that a credible age of the Earth was figured out. The current understanding is that the earth is 4.55 billion years old. The radiometric date of meteorites has played the most important role in dating the Earth. This is also based on a plethora of assumptions. For instance, it presumes the earth has been bombarded by a consistent amount of radiation since the beginning of time. We know from the ozone hole, and global warming, etc. that this is not the case.
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Post by Gandalf The White on Oct 22, 2020 21:50:30 GMT 10
Hi Occam's.
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Post by burntgizeh on Feb 15, 2021 17:59:57 GMT 10
5781, actually
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Post by veritas on May 25, 2022 4:57:51 GMT 10
The word 'yom' in the Hebrew language, just as many other words is a fluid term.Yom might also be used to designate any specific lapse of time.
But for the sake of argument if we accept your definition, then how exactly are we measuring a day, if it precedes the creation of the sun? Created on the third day? (The light was on the first) It seems pretty obvious to me that God was not using the sun as his standard of measurement for 'day'.
Consider also we could be measuring time from a fixed point in space subsequent to the Big Bang singularity. Einstein had already theorized that time was relative, and we know such things as gravity and time dilation have an effect on time/space.
It is then possible from the center point of the universe that only seven twenty-four hour cycles have passed, while from our perception and position in the universe it's been millions of years.
(I'm not going to wade through the hundreds of posts you made on the topic, but if there is something specific you'd like me to address,let's tackle them one at a time.)
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Post by Gandalf The White on May 25, 2022 11:24:07 GMT 10
G'day Veritas, My issue with the Creation story is that the whole thing doesn't make sense. It is a Geocentric model of the Solar System (and universe) where the planet where we live was supposedly created prior to the Sun - (taking just one element of the story). The Earth is made up of elements that are formed inside stars. The stars, including the Sun are precursors to the planets. Having a story that states that the stars were placed in the sky after the planet(s) forming is just wrong. Having to go to extremes to try to shoe-horn the Creation story into reality to me seems like a waste of time. I just will never buy into that story, the times and order of operations is simply wrong. (IMNSHO). It is a major sticking point because The Bible is supposed to be the "immutable word of God". However, the very first chapter of the very first book in that bunch of stories is just unbelievable.
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Post by veritas on May 26, 2022 0:12:17 GMT 10
Please explain to me what you mean that the Creation story is a egocentric model. The creation story is meant to be a description observed from a human perspective.
It's a story about humanity.
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Post by Gandalf The White on May 26, 2022 0:19:35 GMT 10
Geocentric.
The old notion that the Earth was the centre of the Solar system.
As we know, that model is wrong.
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Post by veritas on May 26, 2022 2:35:37 GMT 10
I disagree in your assertion that the planets were formed by stars simply because they are composed of similar elements.
The human body is composed of similar elements found in soil, yet you don't embrace the biblical narrative that man came from dirt.
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Post by veritas on May 26, 2022 2:36:38 GMT 10
Geocentric. The old notion that the Earth was the centre of the Solar system. As we know, that model is wrong. The Bible doesn't teach that, so your argument is a strawman fallacy.
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Post by Gandalf The White on May 26, 2022 11:22:58 GMT 10
I disagree in your assertion that the planets were formed by stars simply because they are composed of similar elements. The human body is composed of similar elements found in soil, yet you don't embrace the biblical narrative that man came from dirt. My point being that the Bible story talks about stars being placed after the Earth formed. However, the heavy elements that make up the Earth come from the stuff produced in stars. Man from dirt? Well that could be very loosely near the "truth" but the "dirt" came from star stuff. BTW, I don't buy the "rib woman" part of the story either.
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Post by veritas on Jun 1, 2022 4:51:36 GMT 10
That is not to say the earth is made up with star matter, only that they are composed of the same elements. -So what?In a biosphere such things happen all of the time, it doesn't correlate from one object being at all related to another.
As for 'rib' in Hebrew it can be translated as 'curve', which could refer to the missing appendage on Adam's chromosome.
Just something to consider
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Post by veritas on Jun 3, 2022 14:45:12 GMT 10
youtube.com/shorts/Cm_bMlBs_QM?feature=shareListen again. Question more. If God doesn't exist, you are just a byproduct of sentient molecules trying to sort itself out. No finite effect can be greater than it's cause. The universe doesn't make any sense without God.
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Post by Gandalf The White on Jun 4, 2022 0:32:32 GMT 10
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Post by veritas on Jun 7, 2022 2:06:40 GMT 10
...Doesn't explain the emergence of consciousness, which poses to be a real issue for the cause of atheism. Consciousness can't come from non consciousness, in any observable science.
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Post by caskur on Jul 1, 2022 18:47:38 GMT 10
A "day" is a period of time... ya know like a saying .... "in my day"...
we are living in the day of God's rest.
the ceative days were most likely 7,000 years long and I can elaborate later why I say this.
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