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Post by boris on Aug 30, 2022 13:48:56 GMT 10
Twice actually.
But as I live close to the border it's not uncommon and not a problem.
Unless your name is Rittenhouse.
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Post by boris on Sept 1, 2022 8:30:58 GMT 10
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Post by Gandalf The White on Sept 1, 2022 9:13:18 GMT 10
If I had been the judge I would have done him for murder.
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Post by boris on Sept 1, 2022 11:16:54 GMT 10
It was clearly self defence
Those 3 were trying to murder him
The first one - the boy raper - dated single mothers so he could sodomize their little boys - convicted 5 times - had threatened to kill Kyle verbally and was in pursuit clearly intending to carry out that threat
The second one - kidnapped and suffocated women - convicted twice - was bashing Kyle over the head with a blunt instrument - a serious threat to the life of Kyle
The third one - the convicted felon - criminal burglar - had an illegal weapon and pointed it at Kyle's head - clearly indicating a clear imminent threat.
So the Law states clearly a person may defend his own life.
How was it murder? He should get a medal for ridding the world of scum
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Post by Gandalf The White on Sept 1, 2022 11:58:12 GMT 10
In my opinion he went looking for trouble having armed himself with a deadly weapon.
I would have convicted him for murder.
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Post by boris on Sept 1, 2022 12:28:59 GMT 10
How was it murder?
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Post by Gandalf The White on Sept 1, 2022 12:36:07 GMT 10
Looking for trouble, armed with a deadly weapon. IMO he wanted to kill someone. Premeditated killing. Lucky for him, I wasn't the judge.
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Post by boris on Sept 1, 2022 13:36:19 GMT 10
He has close family and friends there - it was an emergency - fire bombings and businesses being destroyed - he had a first aid kit to help people - he put out a fire - it is pretty much his community - he was armed for self defence and was defending businesses from rioters - and people tried to kill him - the first one the child rapist 5 convictions threatened to kill him - and he meant it.
Kyle was running away and the second one - the woman strangler 2 convictions - was bashing him on the head - so that was clearly an attempt on his life and clearly self defence
The third one pointed a gun at his head up close - so that was clearly self defence.
In an emergency a civil minded person is expected to help other people - and that is what he was doing.
If you were the judge you would have to abide by the rule of law
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Post by Gandalf The White on Sept 1, 2022 14:11:10 GMT 10
If I were the judge, it would be: guilty of murder, go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go do not receive $200.
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Post by boris on Sept 1, 2022 15:36:53 GMT 10
What about the Law
It is a legal justification for the use of force to protect a person from suffering a “harmful act” themselves or to prevent a “harmful act” being done to another person.
248. Self-defence (1) In this section — harmful act means an act that is an element of an offence under this Part other than Chapter XXXV. (2) A harmful act done by a person is lawful if the act is done in self-defence under subsection (4). (3) If — (a) a person unlawfully kills another person in circumstances which, but for this section, would constitute murder; and (b) the person’s act that causes the other person’s death would be an act done in self-defence under subsection (4) but for the fact that the act is not a reasonable response by the person in the circumstances as the person believes them to be, the person is guilty of manslaughter and not murder. (4) A person’s harmful act is done in self-defence if — (a) the person believes the act is necessary to defend the person or another person from a harmful act, including a harmful act that is not imminent; and (b) the person’s harmful act is a reasonable response by the person in the circumstances as the person believes them to be; and (c) there are reasonable grounds for those beliefs. (5) A person’s harmful act is not done in self-defence if it is done to defend the person or another person from a harmful act that is lawful. (6) For the purposes of subsection (5), a harmful act is not lawful merely because the person doing it is not criminally responsible for it.
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Post by Gandalf The White on Sept 1, 2022 15:49:14 GMT 10
Yeah, I would have chucked that out on the grounds that he went with the intention of finding trouble. He found it too.
Guilty: Murder - go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
Defence lawyers would dread me walking into the court - they would know that their client was going to jail.
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Post by boris on Sept 1, 2022 16:13:47 GMT 10
How can the Prosecution prove "intention of finding trouble"? There was no such intent - he was visiting family and friends and had a first aid kit to help people - he put out fires and had a rifle for self defence - people were being killed - and his life was threatened so he fled
How was it murder with no intent when he was running away the whole time to flee to safety?
You don't respect the Laws
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Post by Gandalf The White on Sept 1, 2022 16:48:06 GMT 10
The prosecution would not have to work hard in my court. In my opinion, he should have been found guilty of murder.
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Post by boris on Sept 1, 2022 22:11:18 GMT 10
And what about the Law?
there is such a thing as the Onus of Proof - he has to be proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt and all the videos clearly showed he was acting in self defence when his life was threatened
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Post by boris on Sept 2, 2022 21:59:35 GMT 10
Yeah, I would have chucked that out on the grounds that he went with the intention of finding trouble. He found it too. Guilty: Murder - go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Defence lawyers would dread me walking into the court - they would know that their client was going to jail. So to hell with the law? He had a right to be there - a right He had a right to be armed - a right He had a right to defend his own life - a right But to hell with all that? To hell with rights? You cannot prove intent beyond reasonable doubt. But to hell with the law right?
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